Book Your Own Life
So I’d just like to get this out of the way: I’m in a rock band. I’m not picking cotton. I get it.
I mention this fact more than occasionally in these blogs because I want you to understand that I understand that the trials and tribulations of a rock band pale to the everyday hardships of Jack Paycheck. I also mention this with fair regularity because every so often someone new stumbles on this blog and it’s important to restate this fact, even for those of you who have been here for a while.
When I wasn’t in a band, I was curious about Schooner and Jett Rink and The Rosebuds and The Sames. How do you book shows? How does that work? What were your first shows like? What was it like in other towns? Rock bands don’t have any duty to tell anyone anything, naturally. But I think that if the information is presented, I don’t know, maybe people would quit having to reinvent the wheel every time they say to a couple of their friends “Hey dude, wanna start a rock band?” This is why those Secondhand Freespace Forums can be so important. It’s why I consider this area to be a supportive scene: if you ask around, people that have been there help (if they can). It’s at least part of the reason that I write these things: before I was in a band I was curious about them and someone else might be curious about mine. I mean, if people want to be an electrician, there’s information out there. If people want to be a turd farmer, there’s information out there. Ya know?
Then again, maybe I’m doing a disservice because figuring out how to do all this on your own is part of the ‘thrilling experience’.
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Ross Grady runs an excellent music calendar at trianglerock.com. It’s a one-stop shop for seeing what rock shows are coming up in the particular week. Ross has a database of most (all?) of the bands that have ever called Raleigh, Durham, or Chapel Hill home. It is a great, great site. I, and most of the people I know, check this helpful site out regularly. In the calendar section, he sometimes has sporadic descriptions of some of the bands that are playing that week. Ross’s descriptions are brutally honest and (at least concerning Red Collar) have offered me up some terrific brain food with just a few words. Here’s what he said about Hammer No More the Fingers the other week:
“Hammer No More the Fingers probably played your prom, your cousin’s wedding, your office party, and the punk rock house show down the street last week, so I’m assuming you’ve seen them by now”
-Ross Grady at Trianglerock.com
This is a perfect quote for some things that I’ve been thinking about with Red Collar and some of the challenges we will no doubt be facing in the next few months. I want everyone to know that the reason that I bring it up here is not to gang up on Ross or defend HNMTF but to merely explain why bands do things the way they do: why they play the prom, the wedding and the office party and then the punk rock house show all in one week.
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The Blind Book
Booking is a rewarding but excruciatingly difficult part of being in a band. It’s rewarding because when you send out ten emails to ten venues in Philadelphia over the course of a month and finally (FINALLY!!) someone responds with “Yes, we’d love to have you” well… the cup runneth over with joy. I think it’s what my Dad feels when he has a successful putt but hopefully with a more successful proportion than I enjoy (remember: low and slow, Dad…low and slow). Over the course of two months leading up to the show, I’ll correspond with Philadelphia about line-ups and directions and start times and end times and flyers.
In the beginning of my booking experience, what wasn’t immediately obvious is this venue in Philadelphia has this same conversation with me AND the other three bands on the bill. AND THEN they have this same conversation with all the other bands that are coming to their venue that month AND every month after that. Some of them do this for years. From RDU…Jen, Justin, Kym, Mouse, Glenn, Frank, Derek, Mark, Chris M., Chris T….bless all of you. Part of my job in Red Collar is to find the Little Rock and Denton versions of all of you. After months of dialog with these bookers and venue owners from hundreds of miles away, I genuinely get a kick out of meeting these people face to face. Hopefully we have a good show at their venue and they are interested in having us back and thus it ceases to be a ‘Blind Book’.
Finding the venue is one thing but finding a local band to play with you is a whole other issue. Some venues will ask around for you. However, most of the time the touring band has to find the local band. See, you try and find the best matched band for you but if the band is the size of say Hammer No More the Fingers, well it’s not easy to get them to play on a Tuesday. But at least Hammer responds to query emails. Most bands don’t. If you are in a band, do the rock community a favor: quit being an asshole and respond…even if it’s with a simple “I’m sorry, we can’t play”. Admittedly, a lot of the bands that write to you and to us are (more often than not) terrible. This is the nature of myspace. Yet one day it will be you that is doing the asking and through careful analysis and years of scientific formulations and studies, I can say with all certainty:
Karma’s a bitch.
I know, I know. Your band is deluged with myspace message after myspace message. There’s simply not enough time in the day for you to get back to all the adoring fans AND all the bands desperate to bask in the shine of your Rockdom. Well, if you have the time to read these blogs, you have time to respond with five words to a soon-to-be-cynical bassoon player who has the unenviable role of being ‘The Booking Guy’ for his shitty band from Tuscaloosa. RC tries very hard to respond to everyone. If we haven’t, I’m sorry. You slipped through the cracks…
…or you suck really, really badly. (Beth note: no one sucks that bad, dear. everyone deserves a response.)
Booking is an instance where I’m sure being on a label is an absolute advantage. Being on a Name Label means someone has already sorted through a bunch of crap and found you as opposed to bands that aren’t on a Name Label. Without the Name Label, you may be a diamond in the rough but you’re still in the rough and lots and lots of bands out there are in the rough too (and by ‘in the rough’ I mean ‘in a huge stinky pile of dog shit’). Bands of any size (Red Collar included) are more than willing to play on a Monday if the band on the Name Label needs local support because “Hey maybe they’ll pass along our album to so and so”. In my opinion, perfectly reasonable thing to do…if that is one’s goal.
With successful booking, there is an immense sense of accomplishment. Successful booking is no doubt rewarding. Key word in those two sentences: ‘successful’. You put a lot of work into getting that one show and then if you should happen to have a great show, it’s wonderful when people ask you back. Unsuccessful booking however? Urgghh. Essentially the whole process is difficult because of two things.
Reason Number One: Hearing “No.”
Well, not really hearing “No”. Not exactly. Ideally, I’d love to hear “No”. In a perfect world, I’d cuddle up next to a “No” fireplace wearing a Snuggie with “No” written all over it, sipping hot cocoa from a mug with “No” on it and think to myself: “Life is good”. I’d bathe in a bathtub full of sweet sudsy “No” every day compared to what actually happens for us.
See, we don’t hear “No”.
We hear:
Nothing
The reason we hear nothing at all is because in the case of venues, we are the tenth band that has emailed the venue that day about that particular date and just isn’t time enough for those people to write everyone back. Understandable. Red Collar is booking totally blind. They don’t know us from any other no-draw numbskull band that wants to play at their venue. We don’t have any connections or any friends in the towns we are booking. From the conversations that I’ve had with other touring bands, we are not uncommon.
Here’s what I do: I go on myspace and find the zip code of a city that we are going to play. I plug that zip code into the myspace search engine and peruse the bands and venues that are listed. I try and find bands that we sound like and then I see what venues they are playing. I will then write to those venues. I tell these venues what we sound like and who we have played with. I mention that we are touring to support our new album* Pilgrim. Booking an eighteen-day tour is a pain in the ass because you have to play Baton Rouge on Wednesday because you have to be in Houston on Thursday. If Baton Rouge doesn’t work out, maybe…just maybe…New Orleans will. But playing New Orleans is going to make the ride on Thursday just a little bit longer and a little more tiring.
14 out of 15 times, no one responds with anything, let alone a “No”. It is irritating but again, understandable. Glenn at the Local 506 used to send out a stock email that said something like “The 506 is a 250 person venue. Try and build up a following in the town before playing here. You should play The Nightlight or the Cave or Jack Sprat” and it listed out their contacts as well as the contacts of publications in the area to promote the show. This is above and beyond what we ever get from other venues. Not sure if he still does this.
Blind booking challenges one’s patience and endurance. It is, in my mind, a test in a way. Do I believe in this enough to keep on doing this humiliating and aggravating process? It’s scary how many times the answer to that isn’t always what you want it to be. But after a good night’s sleep, a decent band practice, and hopefully one or two helpful promoters/bookers/venue owners, you find a way.
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The Friendly Book
One approach to avoiding The Blind Book and the inevitable rejections is by making connections with other bands by inviting them to Raleigh, Durham or Chapel Hill to play first. That way, when you have to book, you don’t have to go through the frustrating experience of being ignored. People are already friendly with one another. All of us in Red Collar are fairly new to playing in bands on a serious level so we don’t quite have the connections that maybe people assume.
Swapping shows with other bands is an absolute fantastic way of doing business. If I had to do it all over again, this is exactly what I would’ve done from the very beginning. This method has only one drawback:
You play locally… a lot.
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I had mentioned before that there are two reasons the process of booking is difficult. The first reason is Hearing No.
Reason Number Two: Saying No
Referring back to the trianglerock.com quote in the beginning of this blog:
Here’s why Hammer No More the Fingers probably played the prom, the cousin’s wedding, the office party, and the punk rock house show down the street last week. My guess is the prom was with a band from Asheville that might be able to get Hammer a show on a very lucrative Saturday nonetheless. The cousin’s wedding was probably for the drummer of a band from Pittsburgh that let Hammer crash on their floor. The office party was more than likely a benefit show that a long-time fan wanted them to play.
And the punk rock house show?
Well hell, they didn’t get any door money at the prom, the cousin’s wedding and of course the office party. Because the guys in Hammer are stand up fellas, they gave up that money to traveling bands and a charity. They played the punk rock house show because every so often it’s nice to put a twenty or two towards the loan for the production costs of the album you recorded a year ago.
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My guess is that this is why you see Hammer No More the Fingers and others playing locally so much. People helped them out in the past. Hammer could set up a show for the out of town band with some friends of theirs but then Hammer ends up ‘owing’ the local band anyways.
People ask them and it’s hard to say no. It’s really, really hard to say no when people have told you no or implied no over and over and over again for months or years.
You know what’s easy?
Telling bands “You should say no more often”.
It’s very, very hard to say no to someone who helped you out by playing a Monday in Kentucky and now they need a favor and you have to help them out on a Tuesday. I’ve heard (but don’t know if this is true) that the band Stephanie’s Id from Asheville started a festival to pay back all the bands that gave them favors and this grew into a larger festival. It’s a great idea.
I’m not sure what the solution could be for us. Should we post it on our myspace? Post it on trianglerock.com somewhere? Post it on alt.music.chapel-hill? I don’t know. We’ve done a shit ton of touring the past couple of months and met a lot of great bands. Some of these bands we’ll owe and others are simply great and they are bands that I will want to help.
I’m not sure what to do. I think I might do some solo shows or something or acoustic or whatever but I’m not sure if that’s fair.
Suggestions?
*If you’re reading this, Pilgrim’s more than likely not new to you but my guess is that if the promotion of a ‘Known Album’ by a ‘Known Band’ is about one year then the promotion of an ‘Unknown Album’ for an ‘Unknown Band’ is probably two years. Two years. Yes. Two Years. That sound you just heard is a groan from my band mates and our local fans.
Jason
July 7th, 2009 at 11:35 am
Nice article Jason!
We’ve all been there (or at least David from our band has, he has always done the booking) and it takes a lot of perseverance and know-how to make it happen…and you guys are making it happen.
We should trade shows sometime soon,
xo
Shirle’
July 7th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
While we haven’t booked the longer tours…this all rings true. Man you just want someone to reply and acknowledge you. The joy of getting a show and then the sheer terror that you might not get a local on the bill to keep the hold. Then you hope that they have a draw or are good promoters. And there are not great radio stations or blogs like the ones we have here in RDU in every town. Oh the joys of being in a band.
July 7th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Waitaminute . . . you’re in a BAND, too? I honestly don’t see how you have the time, what with all the blogging (and twittering) . . .
For what it’s worth, I said what I did about HNMTF with affection — those cats love to play, and it shows. One side-effect of that is that a *ton* of people around here have seen them play. Seems to be working for them so far . . .
There are some people (many of them clubowners) who’d see too-many-local-shows as a problem, but that’s a discussion for a different day. And it doesn’t answer your question.
For bands who go on one two-week tour a year (and there are a *lot* of them around), the math works out just fine. You play 10 out-of-town shows during that 2 weeks, and then spend the next 11 months paying back the show-trade debt, with one show a month.
For folks like you guys, in the past, I think one of the possible “game plans” was to sign to a label & then go out on tours as an opener+headliner package with one of the other bands on the label. Plenty of folks still seem to be doing that, but it’s not as straightforward nowadays as it maybe used to be.
Another option would appear to be: magically get Pitchfork to love your ass, generate a ton of blog interest, and then play Local 506 on a Monday night with a nearly-unknown local opener & still draw 150+ people despite the fact that you don’t actually even have a record available in the US yet. Or at least that’s what seems to have worked for Japandroids.
July 7th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
I could probably leave a reply as long as the blog, but here are some quickies:
1) We need to have another Secondhand Freepspace panel on booking and have YOU (or another band members who’s done the leg work) on it. The first one was just booking in the triangle, the second: the world (or at least, beyond the state line.)
2) Although I realize it’s tough, one reasons bands should say ‘no’ is if it does not make sense for their band. Overplaying, although possibly somewhat beneficial to other parties, might not be in the best interest of the local band. Notice that Ross didn’t list Cat’s Cradle for Hammer - I’m not NOT convinced if they played less, they could be that big. The local acts that do play the Cradle (From Annuals to Old Cermony to SCOTS to Mountain Goats) probably play just as often as any other local band, they just do it over a greater territory (not all in their own backyard.)
3) Here is the email that you reference. And yes, I still reply to everyone who contacts 506, albeit sometimes not as quickly as bands would like. I do this for two reasons. One, I am grateful that so many acts want to play the club…and, secondly, I personally hate it when people don’t reply to my emails…which unfortunately includes a surprising number of bands.
thanks for the props…glenn/506
Thank you for your submission. Here are some other venues in town that
might work better as we recommend acts play a smaller room in town before
their first show here.
JACK SPRAT - http://www.jackspratcafe.com
THE CAVE - http://www.caverntavern.com
THE NIGHTLIGHT - nightlight.dyss.net/
THE RESERVOIR - http://www.reservoirbar.net/.
MANSIONS 462 - http://www.mansion462.net
BLUE HORN LOUNGE - http://www.bluehornloungechapelhill.com
July 8th, 2009 at 11:28 am
1) I’m sure you’re right about the value of these blogs to people who are trying to figure out how to do all of this for the first time. They’re also incredibly valuable to the rest of us who have been doing it for a little while and need the constant encouragement and reminders that this is a struggle for everyone, not just them. In some ways, you’re like the Judy Blume of rock and roll. When I read her books it was comforting to know that I wasn’t the only awkward, pimply, insecure teenager on the planet. When I read your blogs I am comforted by the fact that I’m not the only local band who often gets exhausted and disheartened by the difficulties of DIY booking and promoting. So thanks for that.
2) What about using semi-local cities for show trades? You guys are big enough to have a draw in Greensboro, Wilmington, Wilson, Charlotte, etc, right? And it’s still valuable for Red Collar to do Tuesday shows in those places, yeah? The touring bands don’t get the benefit of Red Collar’s Chapel Hill draw, but it’s still something and benefits both of you.
3) I think posting these on the website instead of various social networking sites is a good idea. Although, I wish there was some way that our “online presences” could be linked in the conversations.
4) Speaking of online presence, I totally stole your WordPress theme for FKoN’s website. Hope that’s okay.
5) Where do you find time to do everything? Book, promote, practice, tour, write, record, respond to emails, earn money to feed yourself, have anything resembling a social/family life, and still write entertaining blogs…It seems like it adds up to waaay more hours than there are in the week. I’m quitting my job soon so I can focus on just music stuff and I still don’t think I’ll have enough time to do it all. I’d love to hear how y’all divide your time.
xo,
Shayne
July 9th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
@Glenn — I think a secondhand freespace panel on booking outside the Triangle would be very useful. Maybe it’s just my perspective, but I felt like “how to book a show at the Cave or 506″ wasn’t news to most of the crowd (though maybe I mis-judged the audience.) “The next step” would be more interesting, I think. Shared experiences and whatnot.
@Shayne — (2) in your comment is an excellent idea. Bands like FKoN, Red Collar, and HNMTF are going to be playing those shows anyway. Why not bring an out of town band to Winston-Salem (or wherever) next time you play there?
July 12th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
>I felt like “how to book a show at the Cave or 506″ wasn’t news to most of the crowd
Maybe not to the people who attended (who seemingly take more interest in their musical career) but there are plenty of musicians who did not attend who could have walked out with a little more insight.
Twice in the past two weeks I’ve had my employees ask that certain bands not be allowed to return - this has NOTHING to do with me as a club owner (I wasn’t even at these shows) and everything to do with how the bands treated my staff. Respect the opportunity to play was a point I think I tried to make.
Another point, under-promise, over-deliver. Here is an email I got about a recent show:
X Band will draw around about 20-30 kids in your area.
Y Band might draw around 10-20 in your area.
Z Band should draw at least 50-100 in your area..so your looking at about 150 kids as the high..and about 80 on the low end.
My instincts told me these numbers were inflated, but I thought, if half that many people come, I’ll still be happy. Well, we were both off - 4 people paid to see the show.
Of course, one of the bands talked to me after and said if they had another show, ideally on a weekend, they could probably get about 200 people. Sorry, dude, THAT was your chance…and if you really think there are 200 people interested in your band, why didn’t more than 2% of them come out for your show? First impressions go a LONG way! Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!
glenn/506